Episode 161: Stacey Barr Resources

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1. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who discusses what it really means to humanise numbers. It’s not about making them simpler or prettier, it’s about changing how people feel about them.

2. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who shares why vague goals are one of the biggest barriers to progress. Words like efficiency, sustainability or effectiveness sound impressive but often mean different things to different people.

3. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, she discusses how targets should be used as a learning journey rather than a pass or fail scorecard. Too often, teams are told to hit targets, which creates pressure and fear.

https://humanisethenumbers.online/episode-161-stacey-barr-of-pump-academy/

1. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who shares how most people don’t respond to goals the way we expect them to. When asked what they want, many feel stuck, unsure, or even uncomfortable. It’s not because they lack ambition, it’s because they haven’t had the space to reflect.

She explains that humans are naturally wired to avoid risk more than pursue possibility. That’s why traditional goal setting can fall flat; it asks people to think in a way that doesn’t feel natural.

Instead of starting with aspiration, Stacey suggests starting with avoidance. Ask people what they are trying to stop from happening or what frustrates them most right now.

Once that conversation opens up, the path to meaningful goals becomes clearer because the real motivations are finally on the table.

2. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who discusses what it really means to humanise numbers. It’s not about making them simpler or prettier; it’s about changing how people feel about them.

Too often, numbers are experienced as judgment. They feel like something being done to people, rather than something that helps them.

Stacey reframes this completely. Numbers should be tools in your hand, not rods for your back. They should give people clarity, confidence and control in decision making.

When numbers stop feeling like a threat, people stop avoiding them and start using them.

3. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who shares a powerful story about how easily numbers can threaten people. She once presented a new way of visualising performance data and expected excitement. Instead, she was met with anger.

Why? Because the data showed no improvement over two years. What she saw as insight, the manager experienced as criticism.

This is the hidden challenge with KPIs. They don’t just describe performance; they can feel like they define the person behind it.

If we want people to engage with numbers, we have to design conversations that protect confidence while still revealing truth.

4. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy. Stacey discusses why most KPI conversations start in the wrong place. We jump straight to asking what should be measured before we’ve clarified what actually matters.

She encourages leaders to pause and go deeper. What are we trying to change? What difference do we want to see?

Only when goals are clear and specific can measurement become meaningful. Without that clarity, KPIs are just noise.

The real work is not choosing metrics, it’s defining outcomes in a way that everyone understands and believes in.

5. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who shares why vague goals are one of the biggest barriers to progress. Words like efficiency, sustainability or effectiveness sound impressive but often mean different things to different people.

She calls them weasel words because they lack real substance. They don’t paint a clear picture of what success actually looks like.

The shift happens when you can describe the future in tangible terms. What would we see, hear or experience if this goal was achieved?

That level of clarity is what turns a goal into something people can act on and measure.

6. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who discusses the importance of involvement when creating KPIs. The biggest mistake leaders make is designing measures and handing them down.

When people feel KPIs are imposed on them, they disengage or resist. But when they help shape them, everything changes.

Ownership builds understanding, and understanding builds commitment. People are far more likely to act on numbers they helped create.

It’s not just about better KPIs, it’s about better conversations that bring people into the process.

7. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who shares why less is more when it comes to KPIs. Many teams try to track everything and end up improving nothing.

She suggests focusing on just a few key measures, typically three to five at most. Beyond that, effort becomes diluted, and priorities blur.

To find the right ones, she uses a simple test. Should we focus on this, can we influence it, and will we commit to it?

That final question is the hardest, because it forces honesty about time, energy and real priorities.

8. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who discusses how targets should be used as a learning journey rather than a pass or fail scorecard. Too often, teams are told to hit targets, which creates pressure and fear.

She prefers the idea of reaching for targets. Start with something achievable to build belief, then increase the challenge over time.

Progress becomes a trajectory, not a single moment. Each step teaches you what works and how much effort creates change.

That approach keeps people motivated and curious rather than anxious about whether they will succeed or fail.

9. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who shares the power of understanding how everything connects through a results map. Businesses are not a collection of isolated metrics; they are systems of interrelated outcomes.

Focusing on one KPI without seeing the bigger picture can create unintended consequences elsewhere. Improvement in one area may damage another.

Mapping the relationships between results brings clarity. It shows what really drives performance and where the leverage points are.

It also forces an important conversation about trade-offs, because you can’t optimise everything at once.

10. Listen to this Humanise The Numbers podcast with Stacey Barr of Pump Academy, who discusses the human skills needed to make KPIs actually work. It’s not just about technical expertise, although that matters.

The best practitioners are bold enough to ask difficult questions, even when they feel uncomfortable. They seek clarity instead of pretending to understand.

They are also non-judgmental and collaborative. They create safe spaces where people can explore ideas without fear.

Because in the end, KPIs don’t drive performance, people do. And the way we involve them makes all the difference.

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Here is a soundbite of the interview with Stacey