May 18, 2022

Episode 52: Phil Hobden of Wolters Kluwer

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The Story

How you and your firm deliver great value to your clients is a common theme in the HumaniseTheNumbers podcast series.

In this discussion with Phil Hobden, now of Wolters Kluwer, I was able to unpack Phil's experiences as a business owner, as well as an employee and leader of education at Capitalise and, previously, at Futrli.

He shares some amazing insights. The discussion twisted and turned from value for clients and value for team members and how much they're part of a virtual circle. When we, as leaders of our respective businesses, get that value equation right – make it clear, demonstrate it well – we put our firms on that positive path towards reaching our business goals.

I hope you'll join me and Phil on a fast-moving, action-packed and, I think, content- and value-packed podcast at

The Solution:

I always relate back to when I had a business many years ago and I was a terrible business owner, awful, like really rubbish.

I tried to do my own accounts and I cannot tell you the mess I got myself into and I went to an accountant.

They charged me probably more than I would've paid if I'd gone to them initially, but what I did was I got them to show me what to do and educate me. So that I didn't necessarily need to rely on them so heavily the next year and so that I could grasp my numbers and grasp what I needed to do, and that was transformational for me.

It was like there were two levels of value there. The first level of value was the fact that they got me out of a very deep hole of my own creation, but the second level of value was that they showed me how not to get into that hole again and how to be better at what I did.

I walked away from that with a cracking bill but actually, I feel like I've probably got more out of it than they gave me in the long run.





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